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01-20-2017, 04:57 PM
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Make sure to visit our official GIJoeCon website for a sneak peek
of our 12" and 3 3/4" Convention exclusive Box set
details and figure previews at GIJoeCon.com (http://www.gijoecon.com)

Our 2017 Convention Brochure is now ONLINE!

Plus, both the 12" and 3 3/4" Box Set Figure Previews!

Matthew.stoops@wmich.edu
01-20-2017, 05:20 PM
Very cool, love that you guys are doing the Marine Jungle Fighter Uniform.

I've got a Vintage AT Jungle Explorer uni, and this one looks great!


EDIT: I know that it's a prototype pic, but will you be using "Classic" bodied figures or the "Super Vintage" kind?

rjhiii@sover.net
01-20-2017, 05:37 PM
Definitely in on the set

kristoffer.jackson@gmail.com
01-20-2017, 05:59 PM
Still remember getting the original as a kid. Excited to see the rest and can't wait to purchase the set!

rjhiii@sover.net
01-20-2017, 06:00 PM
If you open registration before the rest of the reveals I am already in on the Homefront set

http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017maverickWEB.jpg

gi_eddo@yahoo.com
01-20-2017, 06:03 PM
What else is In the set? I did not see a description of the box contents. I assume the rest of the BF 2000 and some Bats....but like who and what?

csi_kincaid@yahoo.com
01-20-2017, 06:12 PM
What else is In the set? I did not see a description of the box contents. I assume the rest of the BF 2000 and some Bats....but like who and what?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the "BAT Squad Leader" means at least we FINALLY get an ME Overkill.

skoor.cr@gmail.com
01-20-2017, 06:30 PM
READY, SET,YES can I order the homefront set now?

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
01-20-2017, 06:36 PM
That's a safe bet I think.

gi_eddo@yahoo.com
01-20-2017, 06:44 PM
That much I figured. But I mean, what else? Usually they give a description of every figure in the set.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-20-2017, 06:48 PM
Probably since BAT IIs as well.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-20-2017, 07:22 PM
That much I figured. But I mean, what else? Usually they give a description of every figure in the set.

They will with the reveals... they are holding back some surprises. My guess is Hot Wire will be included and since it is an experimental "laser" weapon, maybe even the concept case Laser Viper

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-20-2017, 09:23 PM
Looks like I'll have to travel to Florida!

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-20-2017, 09:24 PM
"Bat leader" likely = Overkill.

gjwermund@gmail.com
01-20-2017, 10:23 PM
I think the 1st reveal looks great

ATBotts78@gmail.com
01-20-2017, 11:06 PM
BattleForce 2000!!! Yes!! Thank you club!! Blocker, Dodger, and the boys!!! The weekly figure reveals are going to have me on the edge of my seat!! This is going to be so great! I bet the new ME version of Avalanche trumps the original!!

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-21-2017, 07:57 AM
I'll bet there are a few other Cobra leaders to operate the "secret weapon." Probably Cobra Commander in a parka from the Sunbow Cartoon or something like that.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-21-2017, 11:31 AM
Maybe Blackice since the story is going up to Canada?

jared.vitosh@gmail.com
01-21-2017, 11:35 AM
I know BF2K was highly desired by some, I'm really happy for them to get it. I'll have to see how the rest of the team turns out before I make my own judgement, but Maverick seems about as close to the original as you can get without marking a lot of brand new parts.
As for the Cobras, I'm not excited about more BATs. Maybe there are other good characters included we don't know about yet, but we have just had so many BAT releases (from Hasbro and the club lately) that I don't think we needed any more and a better enemy could have been chosen.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-21-2017, 12:07 PM
Other than the helmet, Maverick looks spot on, actually like this helmet better. Not a fan of the original BF2000, but I'm actually thrilled the Club is going to attempt this. Very interested in the cobra side. How many BATs will there be, who else will be in the set, will Backstop be included? Will any of the Canadian Joecon characters be introduced since it's going to be involving Canada, Snowbank, JoeCanuck, Blackice, Shiver...

kelty11@verizon.net
01-21-2017, 12:25 PM
I'm very happy that we are getting BF2000. BATS not so much. I hope its not Overkill and six BATS. Give Us Overkill, Hotwire, 2 BATs V2, and a few Laser or Flak-Vipers. That would be cool.

By the way, where is the PDF brochure? I can't believe that registration will really start this month with only one reveal, and no brochure.

Matthew.stoops@wmich.edu
01-21-2017, 03:52 PM
Will the 12'' uniforms be carded? I think it would be a stellar idea if they were.

ATBotts78@gmail.com
01-21-2017, 10:50 PM
Woke up this morning and quickly realized yesterday wasn't a dream, thank you club, BattleForce 2000 will be awesome in Modern Era!

NS550@aol.com
01-23-2017, 11:33 AM
BF 2000!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see the full set!

I was hoping for more than BATs for a match-up though... guess we should wait and see what the rest look like.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-23-2017, 12:04 PM
I love B.A.T.s. and am happy about their inclusion. I can now add new specializations to my jungle, arctic, constructicon and fire B.A.T.S. I'm really just glad that it's a group from the original line and not some one-off vanity group never sold domestically like Red Shadows.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-23-2017, 12:51 PM
It seems like this could be a pretty straight forward set, right? The seven members of BF2000, Overkill, Hotwire, 3x BAT II and 3x BAT I in some new deco makes 15, right?

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-23-2017, 01:51 PM
Or there could be cobra commander in a parka from the Sunbow Cartoon and one other cobra command leader in arctic gear and two less B.A.T.s.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-23-2017, 02:03 PM
It seems like this could be a pretty straight forward set, right? The seven members of BF2000, Overkill, Hotwire, 3x BAT II and 3x BAT I in some new deco makes 15, right?

could be 3 x Laser Vipers- you know to handle that new "Laser weapon" ...

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-23-2017, 02:42 PM
This is the beauty of B.A.T.S! There are SO many opportunities to customize them for weapons and environments! Why Laser Vipers when you could create a new set of Laser B.A.T.S!

kelty11@verizon.net
01-23-2017, 02:50 PM
could be 3 x Laser Vipers- you know to handle that new "Laser weapon" ...

Here's my prediction
Box Set: 6 members of BF2000, Overkill, Hotwire, CC in Parka, 3 BATs (1991), 3 BATS V3 (Valor V. Venom)
3 Pack: Blizzard, Subzero and DeeJay
2 Pack: Laser-Viper
No clue about paradrop or vehicles.

jgonzaleznj@yahoo.com
01-23-2017, 02:55 PM
What do you mean carded? There are usually on the figure.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-23-2017, 02:58 PM
Here's my prediction
Box Set: 6 members of BF2000, Overkill, Hotwire, CC in Parka, 3 BATs (1991), 3 BATS V3 (Valor V. Venom)
3 Pack: Blizzard, Subzero and DeeJay
2 Pack: Laser-Viper
No clue about paradrop or vehicles.

I would love all of that but a Laser-Bat Packed in the two-pack with the laser Viper.

tmahaney@admin.umass.edu
01-23-2017, 03:25 PM
Am I the only one underwhelmed by the 12" set? Where are the modern bodies? Why is it always the Land Adventurer or Man of Action? Where is the cool monster, vehicle, or other accessory? I hope the "free" figure this year is much more imaginative.

bassistcarlos@sbcglobal.net
01-23-2017, 03:39 PM
Well, I'm a 4 inch collector, but think the 12 inch set is pretty cool.

Matthew.stoops@wmich.edu
01-23-2017, 04:05 PM
I mean to include the reproduction Marine Jungle Fighter and AT Jungle Survival sets on repro cards. The MJF is highly sought after, and I think putting on a Repro Card would be an enormously smart move for the Club.

biggs33@socal.rr.com
01-23-2017, 05:00 PM
Marine Jungle Fighter - no knuckle knife?

NS550@aol.com
01-23-2017, 05:17 PM
I hope they add snow serpents to the mix, I don't mind BATs, I can always use more but it seems like this was an opportunity to check off other characters that haven't been made yet. The description does say arctic types so Blizzard, sub-zero, coldfront, could all be potential figures for attending packs. Overkill makes a lot of sense since the main opposition is BATs, that one I am actually looking forward to.

Matthew.stoops@wmich.edu
01-23-2017, 05:48 PM
Marine Jungle Fighter - no knuckle knife?

I guess we get the holster and .45 instead.

(no sealed Marine Jungle Fighter sets have been found with the holster and .45)

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-24-2017, 11:56 AM
Hoping for Cobra Commander in a parka from the Sunbow cartoon. Any chance the reveals will be accelerated to accommodate the registration schedule?

bassistcarlos@sbcglobal.net
01-24-2017, 01:37 PM
I'm expecting a reveal everyday now.

biggs33@socal.rr.com
01-24-2017, 04:54 PM
True, .45 is listed on the package but not actually included. But I love the trench knife. :)

rjhiii@sover.net
01-24-2017, 05:13 PM
Looky what they posted today...


http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017batleaderWEB.jpg (http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/RAH17previewBSL.cfm)


My only question is why their is an off center arrow pointed at his head? I sure hope that isn't part of the sculpt?

csi_kincaid@yahoo.com
01-24-2017, 05:17 PM
Epic FAIL! You guys had every reasonable chance to make this OVERKILL. This is such a let down. OK, I admit, it is a good looking BAT version. Still, this set needs Overkill.

jared.vitosh@gmail.com
01-24-2017, 05:28 PM
My only question is why their is an off center arrow pointed at his head? I sure hope that isn't part of the sculpt?

I think that is one of the arm attachments sticking out of his backpack whine his head.

csi_kincaid@yahoo.com
01-24-2017, 05:30 PM
I think that is one of the arm attachments sticking out of his backpack whine his head.

That's the laser arm attachment.

jared.vitosh@gmail.com
01-24-2017, 05:33 PM
This figure looks good as a generic v2 BAT, but the squad leader designation is confusing. What will the BAT troopers look like? Will they be repaints that also use this head sculpt? Is Overkill or some other named Cobra in the set to lead the BATs? I hope we get more reveals soon so we can figure all this out.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-24-2017, 05:40 PM
That's the laser arm attachment.

Ahhh, I see bad photo shop... hahahahaha

Arbrias@hotmail.com
01-24-2017, 05:54 PM
Looking good. Only downside is making him a squad leader, so it'll be more difficult to army build those nice bright colors.

jrgrfg@aol.com
01-24-2017, 08:04 PM
I like BF2000 but I have BAT fatigue. I really do not want more BATs.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-24-2017, 08:11 PM
Based on this, i now expect Overkill to be in FSS 6

ATBotts78@gmail.com
01-24-2017, 08:19 PM
I need to see Dodger and Blocker!!!! I'm out of my head with anxiety, excitement, and anticipation!

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-24-2017, 09:26 PM
Exactly how I pictured the BATs, not what I expected for the squad leader though.

dgarlit@gmail.com
01-25-2017, 06:17 AM
I really expected Overkill here. Now I really need to see more before I get the set. This reveal tilts me in the Skip this one direction. Still a lot more to see though.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-25-2017, 07:00 AM
LOVE the new Squad Leader! If you don't think Overkill will be in this set, I'll have a good laugh for you. Love, love, LOVE that we're getting a bunch of cool, new B.A.T.S.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-25-2017, 09:01 AM
The fact that the squad leader is a "Cobra Officer" type is a good thing, too, because it means that the two non-troop builders can be Overkill and Arctic CC. I like it.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-25-2017, 09:09 AM
Glad we're getting a '91 style BAT. I was really hoping that the Squad Leader would be Overkill. Maybe he will still be in the set or in FSS6. This is a great theme, but it's a mixed bag so far.

charlesbarry1975@hotmail.com
01-26-2017, 07:28 AM
That would be amazing. Sprinkle a little Canadian Convention content and we are going to have a real winner of a set for 2017!

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-26-2017, 03:40 PM
Next reveal is up, and it's Knockdown.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-26-2017, 05:43 PM
I like it ... never was a fan of his pistol though... but it is "iconic" hahahahaha

http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017knockdownWEB.jpg

jared.vitosh@gmail.com
01-26-2017, 07:32 PM
I will say both Battle Force guys so far look a lot like their vintage figures. Can't wait to see Dodger.

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
01-26-2017, 08:31 PM
I was never a fan of the original Knockdown but this figure looks great.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-26-2017, 10:26 PM
I think the original Knockdown was awful, and I think this one has captured that perfectly. It's a good job at recreating the original, it's just that it is a hard figure to make look good. So I'm not knocking the club's work. They did a good job, it's just a terrible figure. I might be wrong, but I don't see any 25th tooling on him. Very curious to see how Avalanche and Blocker turn out.

ATBotts78@gmail.com
01-27-2017, 07:48 AM
I am super excited to see what Dodger & Blocker look like!

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-27-2017, 09:21 AM
Yeah, recreation of an awful original figure into an awful ME version is, well, accurate. Isn't it funny how those smocks looked "futuristic" in the '90s?

kaljzl0824@yahoo.com
01-27-2017, 09:25 AM
I woulda preferred a new helmet over the re-tooled rifle.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-27-2017, 10:23 AM
So far the BF2000 guys look great. Knockdown was admittedly one of the worst figure of the 80's, but this is captured perfectly here. Can't wait to see the rest. Hope we get Dee Jay at the Con or is FSS6.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
01-27-2017, 11:14 AM
C'mon club, show us more of the B.A.T.S and the Cobras leading them.

NS550@aol.com
01-27-2017, 12:27 PM
You mean show us Overkill hopefully right? ;)

Arbrias@hotmail.com
01-27-2017, 04:38 PM
The only way there's going to be an Overkill is if he's in an attendee exclusive: http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/Disney2017.pdf

kristoffer.jackson@gmail.com
01-27-2017, 05:04 PM
Bummer, wasn't planning on attending. That would be a really cool exclusive figure though.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-27-2017, 05:16 PM
8 BATs and a BAT squad leader? Bummer. So, why is the set $410 now?

NS550@aol.com
01-27-2017, 05:21 PM
Well at least we don't have to keep checking for new cobra team previews now. I can't attend so I'm hoping if they do make an Overkill that someone would be willing to sell theirs because I know how much the attendee sets go for on ebay. Would be nice to have the option of buying them from the store. I think this is a perfect opportunity to make a crossover set in the club store though, Dee-jay with an autobot or even remake the BAT stealth drones that came with old snake for a vs set.

kaljzl0824@yahoo.com
01-27-2017, 05:23 PM
8 Bats!!! Ugh.....Unless there is some new tooling other than just a head, I just might pass on this one.

c.j.lloyd1@juno.com
01-27-2017, 06:29 PM
Today's news demands an explanation.
How in the world can you create a Con Set including 8 BATS (and a BAT Leader) revealing a grand total of 1 new head and 1 re-tooled vintage weapon and then have a price increase? Geez! What gives? Why would you think anyone wants this? It's absurd!

jared.vitosh@gmail.com
01-27-2017, 07:03 PM
Yeah this is disappointing. I'm not able to go anyway, but I'm sad for you guys that are going. 8 of the same figure (probably 9 really) makes an uninteresting set. I thought it was pretty clear from the forums that people wanted individuals like Overkill to go with a BAT team. If they are saving him (and Dee Jay who could have been in the main set instead of one of the BATs) for show exclusives will make it really hard for most collectors to get one.
It just seems really strange to deviate from the pattern they have used for so long and the prices went up a lot too.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-27-2017, 08:03 PM
My worst fear was Dee Jay would be an exclusive, I never expected Overkill would only be available as an exclusive if at all, and I expected Hot Wire. Now I envision this as a three pack, and the Concept Case Laser Vipers as the two pack. I hope if this is the case, that the exclusives are a particular price point, and will be available to members as a home front heroes pre order for a small premium.

ozcouple@live.com
01-27-2017, 08:33 PM
Unbelievably disappointing.

c.j.lloyd1@juno.com
01-27-2017, 08:52 PM
I was probably a candidate for a Homefront Hero's set but not now. No way I'm giving them that kind of money for this type of return. This set will end up on clearance in the Club Black Friday 2017 Sale and still won't sell well. Absolutely pitiful.

morgardee@hotmail.com
01-27-2017, 10:19 PM
Guys.....What are you doing?
The online collecting community is talking and it's not good.
8 Bats? Bats are everywhere. They are not new, inspiring, sought after.
The Joes are missing DJ.
This years set is uninspired.
The cost is unreasonable. The price hike is being viewed as the club grabbing as much cash as they can on the way out as 2018 is the last years.
If this is "our club" as described in the past then make us believe it.
This years set is an easy pass for me and many others.

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
01-28-2017, 12:15 AM
Guys I have a feeling your looking at this the wrong way. What if they kept the set simple so they could do a new vehicle. Like in the comic when the stealth pilot is mentioned there was a model phantom on the shelf in Keel-Haul's office. That's probably a stretch but one can hope.

bassistcarlos@sbcglobal.net
01-28-2017, 12:19 AM
BF2000 wasn't my first choice for a con set, so I was really looking to the Cobra side of this set to pull me in. Now, I'm sorely disappointed with the news of 1 new character & 8 more BATS. The only thing that may save this set for me, is if there are variations among the 8 BATS. If the 8 BATS are all the same, I'll pass on the con set and cherry pick the squad leader & 1 BAT off of eBay. I already have enough BATS for a squad leader to lead; I don't need 8 more.

bassistcarlos@sbcglobal.net
01-28-2017, 12:25 AM
Guys I have a feeling your looking at this the wrong way. What if they kept the set simple so they could do a new vehicle. Like in the comic when the stealth pilot is mentioned there was a model phantom on the shelf in Keel-Haul's office. That's probably a stretch but one can hope.

I hope you're right, but a new vehicle would only benefit attendees. The average fan & Homefront heroes wouldn't benefit from the reduction of variety, in the con set, and the increase in price.

jimsnow70@aol.com
01-28-2017, 11:46 AM
I'm buying a set, but the inclusion of multiple BAT's is sort of a let down for me. 8 BAT's? Hopefully the other exclusives will make up for the lack of diversity.

davide.romanello@gmail.com
01-28-2017, 11:57 AM
But... (or B.A.T. :/) even if you built up a fantastic new bat trooper with new accessories and new parts.. com'on... 8.. eight... plus the BAT leader.. too many gone useless. Adding an expensive price, shipping, insurance and custom fee (calculated on 410$ this time) damn... saddly think I have to pass..

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
01-28-2017, 01:15 PM
True I know it does not help the Homefront Hero crowd especially if you are like me and stalk the exclusives until you find one at a somewhat decent price.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-28-2017, 02:04 PM
I would hate it if they make overkill a con exclusive. I already dislike that, as a member, there's still another level of access, but especially for a character that i think would be universally desired.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-28-2017, 02:22 PM
Utterly disappointed!! BF2000 is great, but 9 BATs and a price increase? Please. I was expecting Hotwire and Overkill. I was wondering how Fun Pub can justify the price increase if most the figures are BATs. Last year I could understand because of all the great sculpts, but not this year. $410 + the absurb shipping charges (a $25 dollar increase).

Hotwire and Overkill will probably be in a 2-pack (like 2012's Darklon and Sgt. Mgr.) and super expensive

Hopefully Overkill will be in FSS 6.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-28-2017, 04:22 PM
And a three pack of Backstop, Tundra Stalker, and DeeJay. :mad:

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
01-28-2017, 06:48 PM
And a three pack of Backstop, Tundra Stalker, and DeeJay. :mad:

Unless DeeJay is the freebie like Air RAID was last year.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-29-2017, 11:24 AM
Unless DeeJay is the freebie like Air RAID was last year.

That would be so unfair - Air Raid was a throwaway character that I could pass on ($90+ for a single non-classic figure). I still disagree with Freefall being the paradrop figure last year (at least he was easier, and relatively cheaper to obtain than NF Crazy Legs).

I still can't for the life of me understand why the club won't offer the souvenirs to all members (attending and non-attending) after years of complaints across all fan boards. Or reserve 10-15% to sell in the store immediately after the convention.

Regarding the contents of the this years' set - perhaps the club had other plans which had to be shelved last year before the last minute reprieve from Hasbro or Hasbro is forbidding the club from using many of their concepts (i.e. Laser Vipers). The villains this year SHOULD have been the Red Shadows - Red Laser (Red CC, easy), Black Major ('12 Col Brekhov mold, easy), Red Shadow Troopers x7 (an easy combo of existing parts). All would have had simple paint schemes.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-29-2017, 12:38 PM
That would be so unfair - Air Raid was a throwaway character that I could pass on ($90+ for a single non-classic figure). I still disagree with Freefall being the paradrop figure last year (at least he was easier, and relatively cheaper to obtain than NF Crazy Legs).

I still can't for the life of me understand why the club won't offer the souvenirs to all members (attending and non-attending) after years of complaints across all fan boards. Or reserve 10-15% to sell in the store immediately after the convention.

Regarding the contents of the this years' set - perhaps the club had other plans which had to be shelved last year before the last minute reprieve from Hasbro or Hasbro is forbidding the club from using many of their concepts (i.e. Laser Vipers). The villains this year SHOULD have been the Red Shadows - Red Laser (Red CC, easy), Black Major ('12 Col Brekhov mold, easy), Red Shadow Troopers x7 (an easy combo of existing parts). All would have had simple paint schemes.

Agreed. I'm a member of the club. I should have access to club product. A delay in access or a reasonable up charge to preserve con incentives would be fair, but getting blocked out because I'll never be able to afford going to con kind of *****.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-29-2017, 03:11 PM
Agreed. I'm a member of the club. I should have access to club product. A delay in access or a reasonable up charge to preserve con incentives would be fair, but getting blocked out because I'll never be able to afford going to con kind of *****.

I agree whole heartedly. But did you know there is a small contingency of con goers that feel there shouldn't be availability for the set, let alone the exclusives, to non attendees? What does that tell you?

dgarlit@gmail.com
01-29-2017, 03:22 PM
Agreed. I'm a member of the club. I should have access to club product. A delay in access or a reasonable up charge to preserve con incentives would be fair, but getting blocked out because I'll never be able to afford going to con kind of *****.

I absolutely agree with this. I really wish I could have access to some of the other product if I purchase a homefront hero set. I unfortunately can't physically attend (I have MS and travel is near impossible at this point). Much of it ends up on eBay at high prices, before the con is even over.


To echo others, this set may actually be a pass for me with the way it's going.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-30-2017, 09:14 AM
I agree whole heartedly. But did you know there is a small contingency of con goers that feel there shouldn't be availability for the set, let alone the exclusives, to non attendees? What does that tell you?

I've seen this on other boards. Unfortunately, these are speculators, not fans. Thank God that Fun Pub never gave into these "Sludge-Vipers." These are also the people who are destroying the hobby. They attend conventions to resell exclusives, not have fun or catch-up friends. I no issue with people wanting to make some money from their collectibles, but not at the expense of everyone else.

Thankfully the souvenirs have been much easier and cheaper to obtain on ebay over the last few years. I don't know if the club is quietly making more of them or interest in waning. But nothing compares to the exclusivity of the 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 souvenirs.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 10:05 AM
Thankfully the souvenirs have been much easier and cheaper to obtain on ebay over the last few years. I don't know if the club is quietly making more of them or interest in waning. But nothing compares to the exclusivity of the 2009, 2011, 2012 and 2013 souvenirs.

Wait until this year.
So some are estimating the BATS "value" will be at most $25 and likely $15 for resale.
The 6 BF Team Figures will carry a premium to carry the set. I think $40-$50 each with Dodger (the survivor and most popular member) probably being around $80. THose that think the BATS will be $15 or Below think the 6 BF figures will be $75 plus to recoup some costs. I have seen people estimate that if the two pack is Overkill and Hot Wire that the figures will be $250 to $300 each. No joke, they are expecting Dee Jay to come with a vehicle (repainted Armadillo has been suggested) or as the carded/drop figure and be about $300 alone as the last member of the team. There is a growing amount thinking that the Laser Viper might be the three pack and think they will be around $150 each minimum. Now if that is what they are talking about now as the secondary market price (again because 9 BATS will not hold their value given how many repaints we have had since the 25th were released) right now, imagine what the prices will be once they hit Ebay. What choice will those that cannot attend have? Either pay or miss out. I still think the Club should not leave money like this on the table for the scalpers. One attendee bonus exclusive small vehicle (no figure) like the IG Mantis sub. Attendees get a 25% discount on the Con exclusives (exclusive meaning that they are made specifically for the Con (attendee and homefront) and the remainder for Fun Pub to sell in the store.), like Toys R Us exclusives are just sold at Tru) and homefront heroes pay full price. So if the Figure is Dee Jay and he sells for $37.50 at the Con, the Homefront packages pay $50. One of each exclusive is held for those buying the homefront set package. If they decline the extras, then they are sold in the store at another plus 25% or $62.50 which will still be less than Ebay/secondary general market. This rewards members! Attendees get the party and discounts, those supporting the con through the homefront package have an option for the exclusives that isn't scrambling on the secondary market for them as the option of one is reserved with their package, and finally Members that just want to cherry pick certain exclusives can do so in the store from what is left or the general public market. The all or nothing approach benefits members that can attend, but has no benefit for the other members as they have to fight for the same club exclusive products as non members.

To recap the what if's...
8 BATs - $15 each = $120
1 BAT leader = $ 25
Blocker =$ 75
Blaster $ 75
Avalanche $ 75
Maverick $ 75
Knockdown $ 75
Dodger $100
$620 secondary market - $410 set cost = $210 gross profit. Now those buying an extra set or two are trying to offset costs of attending the con itself. $210 in Disney Florida will not cut it so...
Dee Jay = $300
Overkill = $300
Hot Wire = $300
Laser Viper x 3= $450
$1,350 secondary market + ??? Vehicles less the cost of the exclusives say about a third like last year of the costs $900 +??? = $450
$210 + $450 +??? doesn't even pay for the hotel stay for most people. Which means the above prices will be on the "low side" of what people will be asking. Now that said, they know they can't ask for more than this and actually sell them. So those attending will buy less (because buying the extra is not going to help offset their trip or pay for it), and the scalpers will not buy as much because they don't want to get stuck with a loss on inventory they can't flip for easy profit. In my opinion the best way for the Club to show the membership that they care and are listening is to come up with a Homefront add on option. Otherwise this Con could leave a sour taste with members, legitimate toy store/collectible resellers, and the Club itself with a low attendance, and probably having to sell the majority of stock through clearance (scalpers jump on those sales).

As I said before I will buy the homefront package as usual, but am disappointed in the "missing" figures in the set.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-30-2017, 10:50 AM
Fun Pub is unique in that the scalper market actually helps them. It supports the narrative of the high value of their products, and by extension, promotes new memberships and con attendance.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 11:33 AM
Fun Pub is unique in that the scalper market actually helps them. It supports the narrative of the high value of their products, and by extension, promotes new memberships and con attendance.

Scalpers always win, in this case everyone else loses including the Club. After all even the scalpers cannot afford these exclusives/attendance with Convention costs and the low demand for BATS. They will wait until things hit the Club store and then buy them all up to lower their investment cost and maximize their profit. The Set itself in a high price/high cost area for the Con needed a Set that "wowed" to build attendance. A set that half wows just isn't a draw enough on itself. What I was suggesting was a tiered system that helps the Club keep the image of high value products, and rewards members. Members join for benefits, if they have the same benefit as non members of buying direct from scalper that does the opposite of promoting membership. If they can save more money and get an extra exclusive that still will promote con attendance.

After all- I joined the Club after I bought Footloose and FSS 1 entirely on the secondary market. Had I known prior, I would have joined sooner and saved money on both. For me, since the 6 members of BF 2000 will be over $410 on the secondary market alone I am all in. Because I wanted Dr. Biggle Jones and expected the price for her alone to be more than half the full set I went all in. I considered that access a good member benefit. If my benefit is go to the con and buy there, or pay quadruple the price on the secondary market the same as non members- there is no benefit of being a member. You become a member to get something. Scalpers bring awareness that the Club exists and promotes membership because members don't want to be scalped on the product. If we are going to be scalped anyways? Why be a member...

fostereben@gmail.com
01-30-2017, 11:37 AM
I wish we could get $75 to $100 for the BF2000 figures but I think the prices will be closer to the $30-$40 range like Sky Patrol. I could be wrong but no way Maverick or Knockdown bring in over $50 each. I do agree with the BAT prices maybe BAt leader gets a little more like $30ish.


Blocker =$ 30-40
Blaster $ 30-40
Avalanche $ 30-40
Maverick $ 30-35
Knockdown $ 25-30
Dodger $35-45

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 11:47 AM
All depends on the number of sets made and who buys them. Reality people that collect 82-90 want to finish off that run and BF 2000 falls in the time. It is the same reason that cobra La is wanted. Some people like it, but most are trying to "recomplete" their childhood collections in ME form. Since the BATs will have no value, and BF 2000 will have some demand I think they will pull a little more. Ironically- I suggested that they would be $40-$50, with Dodger being more because he is better known having a second figure in the original run. I took the high price estimates from the groups of which there are many collector/seller/dealers that usually buy multiple sets trying to justify attending and what they need to purchase/sell to make it worth it.

axonrey@gmail.com
01-30-2017, 12:01 PM
I'm ok with the tier proposal. I'm firmly in the camp of giving members access to all club product, regardless of ability to attend Con.

I don't think the club thinks it behooves them to do so.

kelty11@verizon.net
01-30-2017, 01:26 PM
I think the secondary market prices will be somewhat soft as well.

As for the souvenirs - Overkill & Hotwire ($250 max), Laser Viper or Joe cold weather 3 pack ($250 max), Dee Jay with Armadillo ($300 max). All convention items have been on a downward trend on ebay. Even the 2011-13 items have fluctuated (not the '11 set, of course). I think the fan base has reached the threshold for which they will pay. Everything seems to have stabilized, not increased in value over the last two years. People are only willing to pay $300 for a bagged NF Crazy Legs for so long.

boudro72@yahoo.com
01-30-2017, 02:09 PM
I would not expect to see any of the con Attendee figure sets make it back to the Club store after the Con. I have gone to several of the last few Cons and have watched some buyers go and buy up all they can on Saturday, while gloating that they bought the store out of a figure or pack, due the the Club not wanting to have the hassle of repacking and taking that stuff home and trying to sell it online via the Club Store. Its less work for them if they can sell out at the Con and let the secondary market help with distribution.

Look at it this way, the club is already at the con...ALL the con items are also at the con, sometimes they even show up late to the con, it costs the club money to sell at the con..rooms, labor, food, etc....then to have to repack and drive all that unsold items back and unload, then put up to sell in the store, repack, ship individual items...lots more labor....and I dont think the club would be up for selling items at a markup on the store from the con either, cuz you all know, most of the people will start to whine about its not fair that the prices are higher now than at the con..........even though they should think of how Kickstarter stuff works out....get in early, cheaper prices...come late and pay more....

but either way..........I would like to see the club have items available after the con...would make it way easier on me...and less stress....you guys dont believe the amounts of texts, calls and PMs I get while at the con.."Hey can you get this item for me"...nope...



other side of the coin is, I know what everyone says about the scalpers and resellers and agree with most of it...I hate the fact that certain people go to the Con(s) to just load up on items to resell, have zero to little interest in the show or items themselves. When one person can buy 12-15 of some items during the days of the con is just crap, but that is how it is designed to go.

My advice to people who can not go, find someone who is, and ask them to see what they can get on Saturday, but understand that takes away from them being able to do something else....

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 03:41 PM
I think prices have stabilized because some people are just getting out of the GI Joe collecting and going back to vintage if anything. Part of the softening has been that more people know the Club exists and have joined also buying direct and not secondary, then there are more figures produced than the early runs. Supply and demand of the after market. I hope you are right that enough are produced that there will be supply on the secondary market.

However, this is not entirely accurate- The home front heroes arrive about a month after the Con and are then shipped. If you allow Homefront heroes to pre register for the add ons and send them with the homefront packages there is no additional packing involved. They arrive to the Club and need to be distributed, and left overs are then available for the store. As for the price difference- consider the Con a Sale, and if you missed the sale it is your own fault.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 03:50 PM
http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017avalancheWEB.jpg

Avalanche looks good, but is there any way to get him with a Mic... That was so much a part of his look, well to most of us lost it...hahahahahah

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-30-2017, 04:28 PM
I like how Avalanche's camo looks and I like the parts they used, but his head looks a little wonkey. Mind you the photo shopping always looks a little wonkey. Good job none the less.

jimsnow70@aol.com
01-30-2017, 05:53 PM
Who's left on the BF2000 side? I want to see them in a group shot.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-30-2017, 07:15 PM
Blaster, Blocker, and Dodger

kelty11@verizon.net
01-31-2017, 11:11 AM
Avalanche looks really great! Can't wait to see the finalized headsculpt.


If you allow Homefront heroes to pre register for the add ons and send them with the homefront packages there is no additional packing involved. They arrive to the Club and need to be distributed, and left overs are then available for the store. As for the price difference- consider the Con a Sale, and if you missed the sale it is your own fault.

I think the club should give this a try. Who cares if everyone whines and complains - we supposedly only have 2 years.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-31-2017, 02:25 PM
http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017dodgerWEB.jpg

Dodger doesn't look half bad, face is kinda weird but overall I like it. Needs a little more brown/orange on the vest though

kaljzl0824@yahoo.com
01-31-2017, 03:03 PM
I'd rather have new removable helmets with older heads. These new heads with the lacking mics have really bad faces.

dgarlit@gmail.com
01-31-2017, 03:28 PM
Not a fan of this Dogder at all. I'm not even sure where to start. Disappointing reveal to me.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
01-31-2017, 04:40 PM
I know the digi-heads look weird but I think he turned out pretty good. The bigger disapointment is opening registration without all the reveals, IMO.

rjhiii@sover.net
01-31-2017, 04:51 PM
As promised, I am all in- signed up this afternoon for the Homefront Heroes.

kristoffer.jackson@gmail.com
01-31-2017, 06:53 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I am having a hard time allowing myself to fork out another $450+ for Joe's after the FSS and then getting the crossover figures within the last few months. A set including 8 bats isn't helping.

c.j.lloyd1@juno.com
01-31-2017, 08:45 PM
I had been on the fence about picking up the 6 Joes on the secondary market after the 8 BAT reveal. I was officially out on a complete set after that. But the lackluster reveals are not convincing me. Maybe it's just bad digital mock ups but these new heads just do not look right.

jrgrfg@aol.com
01-31-2017, 09:19 PM
I am going to pass on the set this year. It is hard to justify almost $500 ($415+shipping+insurance) for only the 6 figures that I would want. I am really fatigue with the BATs. We have gotten a lot of them in FSS and in the Hasbro releases. I will save my money for the next FSS.

ATBotts78@gmail.com
01-31-2017, 09:23 PM
I'm so psyched that they got Dodger's arms and build correct. I can't wait to see Blocker and Blaster, but at this point, I'm in! I'm totally in, yo Joe!

davide.romanello@gmail.com
01-31-2017, 10:14 PM
I'm sorry but 500$ (plus others 130$ for custom fee) it is damn too much for 9 BATS and 6 (not so cool) guys,
Probably I could keep in consideration a cherry picking in secondary market, or even a badged set - for sure delivery&custom will be cheaper

skoor.cr@gmail.com
01-31-2017, 10:46 PM
Not sure I like the head but the rest of the build for DODGER get an a+ in my book. Also ordered my homefront set today.

axonrey@gmail.com
02-01-2017, 04:55 AM
I think both new headsculpts look awful, made worse by lack of removable helmets. I just hope they don't resurface in the FSS, because i can't think of any figure I'd want using those heads. Thought this year was going to be my first con set, but it's not to be.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-01-2017, 09:22 AM
2 Things are keeping me from ordering this yet. The rest of the reveals and the box art. What's going to be on there? A couple of logos or some art work?

kelty11@verizon.net
02-01-2017, 10:09 AM
Dodger looks pretty bad. The colors are too bright - looks like he is part of the Mega Marines. I guess it's too late for the club to do a recolor.

Just registered ($410+$15+$27=$458). Nothing I've seen so far justifies this massive increase. Plus, the box art and the rest of figures haven't even been revealed yet - not cool. At least the system worked this year without the weeks of drama and F5'ing in the Con Site until 6pm.

axonrey@gmail.com
02-01-2017, 11:38 AM
The colors of the mock ups are always brighter/shinier/glossier than the actual figures.

etquick2003@yahoo.com
02-01-2017, 10:37 PM
I'm with Axonrey and KJTJ. The reveals just aren't compelling for the price tag. Dodger looks like an Olympic bicyclist and I can't get past the head sculpts on Dodger and Avalanche; too reminiscent of 1980s Star Trek figures. If it wasn't 8 or 9 BATS included with it, that might make it more compelling.

axonrey@gmail.com
02-02-2017, 06:56 AM
I also just want to comment that my negativity is not aimed at the Club itself. I think they have a tough job, and they can't please everyone, and often worked with one (or more) arms tied behind their backs. But as a consumer, I have to evaluate the product and price on offer, regardless of the restrictions and costs that Club has to balance.

dgarlit@gmail.com
02-02-2017, 07:58 AM
Looks like I'll be out too, the cost plus what is there is too much. Maybe if there were a cheaper bagged version, I'd jump in, but even then it'd be tough to to pull the trigger. Really hope that Overkill isn't a souvenir exclusive at the con. Back to the earlier conversation, if buying this set as a homefront hero gave me access to those, I'd still get it, even if it's lackluster to me. But since I'll have to pay and arm and a leg on ebay anyway, I'll have to same my money to attempt that.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-02-2017, 10:53 AM
I really blame Hasbro for threatening not to renew Fun Pub's license last year. I'm sure the 4-5 month period of uncertainty and negotiations played a part in the composition of this year's set. The lead time necessary for a really great set like 2016 has to be at least two years. Here's hoping for something really spectacular in 2018.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-02-2017, 02:28 PM
From the GI Joe Rec Room on Facebook for those going and are interested

"GI Joe Rec Room: A Discussion and Trading Place

Sea World has a promotion on their website, for $150 a person, you get unlimited admission to their 4 parks for 14 consecutive days. This is available for JoeCon. It includes two water parks, Busch Gardens and Sea World. It may be more affordable for you family. Thought I'd give everyone a heads up."

jimsnow70@aol.com
02-02-2017, 05:00 PM
I'm hoping the BAT's have a little variety among them. I don't want 8 exact duplicates.

ERIKSEMAIL@VERIZON.NET
02-02-2017, 10:40 PM
The bowling ball shoulders on Dodger are hard to look past. I am sure the similar heads are just place holders. Has the club issued the same head for multiple figures in a con set?

rjhiii@sover.net
02-03-2017, 02:09 PM
http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/blasterWEB.jpg

Blaster is up, again a wonky head will probably look better in hand.

ATBotts78@gmail.com
02-03-2017, 02:29 PM
Looks pretty darn good to me!!

rjhiii@sover.net
02-03-2017, 02:41 PM
Looks pretty darn good to me!!

face is kind of wonky... but it will look better in hand. These are "digital " mock ups and not the actual sculpt.

Also he is missing his face mask breather, which is okay on the original I lost that on the first day and didn't even notice until someone else pointed it out. I kind of wish they did have their original Mic's though as those were a major part of their look.

abesapien2@comcast.net
02-03-2017, 04:13 PM
This is a giant fail... the retooled poorly colored guns are a waste if you can't reproduce the heads with their "accessories" IE Blasters face mask and Avalanche/Dodgers Mics.

I'm a huge BF2000 fan and this is falling super short...

Honestly, if this reveal was up before reg, I would reconsider going.

gpgreenoe@gmail.com
02-03-2017, 07:49 PM
Where is his mask? That was pretty much THE defining feature/accessory with the original figure and gave him his signature look. The helmet is a bit too thin, though not as bad as Dodgers. But... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE consider adding the mask. I'm a bit biased as Blaster is one of my favorite Joes and was always "me" when I played as a kid. I realize that time is a factor in all of this, but his mask is CRUCIAL to the look of the character. Besides that though, it's a pretty solid build and coloring is spot on. What would it take to get the mask added, in all seriousness?

gjwermund@gmail.com
02-03-2017, 08:54 PM
It's a shame that all the bf2000 fans are disappointed. I never was into bf2000 but was hoping for a great con set

ATBotts78@gmail.com
02-03-2017, 10:04 PM
It's a shame that all the bf2000 fans are disappointed. I never was into bf2000 but was hoping for a great con set

I wouldn't say that. I'm a BF2000 Fan and I'm still very excited. I'm glad Dodger has muscular arms, Knockdown, Avalanche, and Blaster look great, and I can't wait to see Blocker. Maverick's helmet is my biggest gripe but nothing's perfect. I'm very happy to own this set.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-03-2017, 10:19 PM
The only thing I am upset with are the BATS,and Dee Jay being most likely an exclusive. That said, I can live with that, but there is no draw to get other fans excited the way the Red Shadows, Plague, or Cobra Drivers and Pilots would have.

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
02-03-2017, 10:38 PM
I wouldn't say that. I'm a BF2000 Fan and I'm still very excited. I'm glad Dodger has muscular arms, Knockdown, Avalanche, and Blaster look great, and I can't wait to see Blocker. Maverick's helmet is my biggest gripe but nothing's perfect. I'm very happy to own this set.

My only issue with Dodgers arms is they look too big for the torso they used it throws the whole look off.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-03-2017, 11:00 PM
My only issue with Dodgers arms is they look too big for the torso they used it throws the whole look off.

That could just be bad photoshop also...

dgmgundam@yahoo.com
02-04-2017, 11:07 AM
I'm still amazed that the Con guest list hasn't been updated to include Larry Hama? How do they *not* include someone like him? He commented on Facebook that they haven't even asked him to be a guest this year, but that he would like to go. I call it shenanigans that they haven't.

BTW: Dodger needs a brown torso as the the vintage version was predominantly brown. The green torso in the photoshop mockup is okay, but it would be a lot better brown.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-04-2017, 01:05 PM
Blaster looks pretty good (I never pay attention to the awful photoshop heads until they are in hand). I suppose the budget was blown on tooling original weapons and that's why we are getting 8 BATs. Going forward I don't see how Fun Pub's business model will succeed when Kickstarter projects are offering better sculpted assortments of original characters. If Hasbro permitted the club to switch to this method I think we would receive some great offerings. Even small Kickstarters, like a line of 1987-88 vehicles drivers would be funded within a matter of days by club members and the general public.

troysheets2001@yahoo.com
02-04-2017, 10:29 PM
Blaster is my favorite reveal so far.

ERIKSEMAIL@VERIZON.NET
02-05-2017, 05:16 PM
Blaster looks pretty good (I never pay attention to the awful photoshop heads until they are in hand). I suppose the budget was blown on tooling original weapons and that's why we are getting 8 BATs. Going forward I don't see how Fun Pub's business model will succeed when Kickstarter projects are offering better sculpted assortments of original characters. If Hasbro permitted the club to switch to this method I think we would receive some great offerings. Even small Kickstarters, like a line of 1987-88 vehicles drivers would be funded within a matter of days by club members and the general public.

You can't do a Kickstarter with a trademarked property. I believe FP has succeeded for over twenty years now. We get incredible news last June of the continued GI Joe Club and still there is so much negative remarks. Appreciate it for what it is. FB has the support of Hasbro and they are the sole group of dedicated Joe fans that have kept the brand going with such gusto.

The updated ME figures are based on originals but I am glad we don't get carbon copies.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-06-2017, 08:43 AM
I've never had any love for the original BF2000, I always thought it was a poor concept and even worse characters, but I'm liking this take on them, especially Maverick. The original helmet was a bulbous glob and he looked like something out of Buck Rogers but here he looks stream lined and more like a futuristic fighter pilot. I really don't understand the non-removable helmet gripe. Four of the original figures had sculpted helmets and this is a direct homage to them, plus we've seen this throughout the retail modern line; Scrap iron, Barbecue, Wild Weasel to name a few. Are there things I'd liked tweeked, yes, but personally I think the Club's doing a pretty good job here.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-06-2017, 03:11 PM
http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/blockerWEB.jpg

Blocker is up and looks good. Again the head is off, but I am thinking they will look better in hand than digital renditions anyways. Too bad the last reveal is not Dee Jay and will be another BAT...

rjhiii@sover.net
02-06-2017, 03:16 PM
https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387188_10154152830486073_2621552277461823114_n.j pg?oh=8c838f2f2fd95f6503848119f046a8a3&oe=5905130C


Group Shot from Facebook

ERIKSEMAIL@VERIZON.NET
02-06-2017, 04:04 PM
Best held sculpt of the set. BF2k was after I left Joe collecting and this is why I love the later 80s sets. But then again, I'll take anything the Joe club is offering now. Enjoy it while its available because we all know what it felt like when we saw the end coming.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
02-06-2017, 04:49 PM
As a person who actually likes B.A.T.S and was excited about the possibilities for customized and combat variation B.A.T.S I am hoping against hope that there will AT LEAST be unique paint-jobs for the remaning x8 B.A.T. v2.0. I am also ready, at this point, to be disappointed. There is no way I can travel to the 'Con this year, pay even the discounted Disney rate for lodging and also plunk down $425 on the set plus what are sure to be increased costs this year for the convention exclusives. If Overkill or any other Cobras are the convention exclusives I'll just try eBay after the show. I realize the club is hamstrung in which parts it even can use but if costs are going to keep going up like this even getting the homefront set might soon be prohibitive.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-06-2017, 05:18 PM
The digi head looks better. It's probably the straight on shots that make the other heads look weird. Not a fan of the lower legs on Blocker but they do seem to work well here. So far Blocker, Maverick, Blaster and Avalanche are my favourites. Speaking of Maverick, has the head under the helmet been revealed? I'm guessing the Duke one that came with that helmet originally.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-07-2017, 10:20 AM
Blocker looks really good. Can't wait to have them in hand. Still wish Dee Jay had been part of the set. Oh well!


https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387188_10154152830486073_2621552277461823114_n.j pg?oh=8c838f2f2fd95f6503848119f046a8a3&oe=5905130C


Group Shot from Facebook

Simply awesome!

j_yoders@hotmail.com
02-07-2017, 11:25 AM
You can't do a Kickstarter with a trademarked property. I believe FP has succeeded for over twenty years now. We get incredible news last June of the continued GI Joe Club and still there is so much negative remarks. Appreciate it for what it is. FB has the support of Hasbro and they are the sole group of dedicated Joe fans that have kept the brand going with such gusto.

The updated ME figures are based on originals but I am glad we don't get carbon copies.

Super 7 is doing one as an official Mattel licensee for Snake Mountain. Super 7 is to the MOTU line what FP is to GI Joe and Hasbro.

fostereben@gmail.com
02-07-2017, 12:19 PM
Blocker looks really good. Can't wait to have them in hand. Still wish Dee Jay had been part of the set. Oh well!


My guess is Dee Jay will be in a 2 or 3 pack or the free figure when you pick up the box set.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-07-2017, 12:39 PM
You can't do a Kickstarter with a trademarked property. I believe FP has succeeded for over twenty years now. We get incredible news last June of the continued GI Joe Club and still there is so much negative remarks. Appreciate it for what it is. FB has the support of Hasbro and they are the sole group of dedicated Joe fans that have kept the brand going with such gusto.

The updated ME figures are based on originals but I am glad we don't get carbon copies.

I'm not implying that Fun Pub has done anything but a spectacular job over the past 20 years. I just think that we could get some really great figures from a team-up between Hasbro, Fun Pub and a crowdsourcing platform. As I said a small solid set of 1987-88 vehicle drivers could really gain some traction (pun intended) if there was a KS project blessed by the two companies. In terms of trademarking - what about Eagle Force (Remco), Adventure People and Capt. Action. Even one of the Dime Novel legends figures is clearly the Lone Ranger.

sheila4420@hotmail.com
02-07-2017, 03:36 PM
Blockers head sculpt definitely looks like they could use it for a Rampart figure.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-07-2017, 03:47 PM
Sure does, just add some blue goggles.

morgardee@hotmail.com
02-07-2017, 07:44 PM
I seem to recall hearing that they FP had to go a new company to do the head sculpts for this years set. Maybe that's why we are seeing all these digital heads this year.

gpgreenoe@gmail.com
02-07-2017, 09:32 PM
If they'd included Blocker's visor in the first place that would have been a perfect use for Rampart as well.

Really wish they had included Avalanche's visor (as depicted in the card art) and mic, Blaster's mask, and Blocker's visor. We could have gotten an amazing set. I'm not sure why all of those accessories were not included, as they were pretty integral to the look of the original figures. Much more so than the weapons they've included. This is like releasing Fast Draw but basing it off the Rapid Deployment Force where he came without his visor. Oh to dream what could have been.... (Avalanche with visor and mic, Dodger with larger helmet, Blaster with Mask, and Blocker with visor)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/347/31932401394_2057d51f47_b.jpg

steve.2477@hotmail.com
02-08-2017, 05:55 AM
You forgot Dodger's mic as well. I love all 6 of Battle Force 2000 figures.

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-08-2017, 03:20 PM
Never had blocker with the visor so this is fine. If you look really hard you can see the little mic on dodger (his right, your left). Avalanche never had a visor that I can recall, prefer it without. So the only things really missing are Avalanche's mic and Blaster's mask.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-08-2017, 05:22 PM
http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/bat8troopersWEB.jpg


Eight of these guys....hmmm
and one of these...


http://www.gijoecon.com/wdw2017/images17/con17sets/2017batleaderWEB.jpg


I hate to agree with the Naysayers, but with the price increase, the bad digital mock ups and 9 BATS, the added expense of Disney and I have a feeling this Con might fizzle. They have no WOW factor, no Can't miss guest, no big draw to get people to forget about the extra cost. I might hold off on the exclusives versus doing what I did last year and buying from an attendee as I think they will end up being in the store. Unless they really short produce everything.

csi_kincaid@yahoo.com
02-08-2017, 05:24 PM
I have loved every set FunPub has produced since I joined (That was during the Oktober Guard set). I have also spent every year as, a homefront hero, wondering to myself "how can they outdo themselves next year?". This year, like many years before, they have. Just that this year it's in the worst possible way. I love the Joe side, they look great. Let's be realistic though, it's a complete slap in the face to loyal, paying customers to raise prices and then deliver a Cobra side that is essentially 9 of the same figure. The only difference is the paint scheme and the sword instead of the missile launcher. Hope you guys get it together and deliver a much better FSS 6.

kaljzl0824@yahoo.com
02-08-2017, 05:48 PM
Ya know this was a set put together on very short notice. Is it great? No. Is it bad? No. I'm overall pleased. That being said, I just woulda liked the Bat to have had a new rocket arm attachment tooled up. Other than that, I'm happy with this set.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
02-08-2017, 09:49 PM
Disappointment does not even begin to describe it. The 9 B.A.T.S are all essentially the same. This defeats the purpose of the customizability of B.A.T.S that Hasbro and Funpub have been giving us for years (Fire B.A.T. Jungle B.A.T. Arctic B.A.T. Nano B.A.T.). Just really, really disappointing.

keenanm@hotmail.com
02-09-2017, 01:56 AM
Was this an attempt to appease a perceived desire for an army builder or was this done out of haste due to the renewal of the license at a late date? Either way, this is not good. Many think the convention exclusives will be highly desirable items as well, such as overkill and hotwire, that would be better off as parts of the set. I've bought multiple of many things in the past from your company. This, this I want nothing to do with. There is very little positive reaction to the set anywhere other than in Texas, it may do some good to have a roundtable or at least post some sort of explanation why the perceived lack of diversity resulted in a price increase and the thoughts behind the concept of this set.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-09-2017, 06:59 AM
On a positive I am excited for BF 2000 and in the group shot they truly look the way they should as updates. Could of they been improved? Certainly, but they still hit the mark. I think the biggest and most consistent gripe are the BATS. We will get over that also.

dgarlit@gmail.com
02-09-2017, 09:53 AM
Super disappointing set. No way I can justify a homefront heroes set for this. Regardless of the reasons, I hope they know that a convention set like this, for that price, is just unacceptable. I'll be extremely upset if Overkill and Hotwire are in person exclusives at the con instead of being in this set. I defend the club to a lot of people, but, for me, there is no defending this.

gpgreenoe@gmail.com
02-09-2017, 10:31 AM
BF2000 are missing too much to be good updates. I'm a HUGE BF2000 fan, have been requesting them on the Con forms for the past 5 years now. To say that they hit the mark is kind of like saying "they're good enough to pass." This is the ONE shot to get BF2000 in 25th/ME and it fell absolutely short. Don't get me wrong, the builds themselves are actually really good. It's the poorly sculpted 3D heads and the decision to nix the accessories (mics, masks, visors). No one knows if they nixed them in order to free up tooling dollars for their unique weapons (a complete waste) or just didn't want to deal with anything small like that. But with 9 BATs, I'm saying 9 as paint deco changes don't factor in cost wise almost at all, they should have had more to work with. The only hope is that some of the people that cast parts will be able to design and supply the accessories. But it shouldn't be this way. The official GIJCC release SHOULD include those items.

As far as dual usage...

Avalanche head with visor and mic could be used as Cold Front and Windmill (vastly improving Windmill's look). If they were removable it would give it even more flexibility to be more accurate to Windmill

Blocker head with visor could be used as Rampart and, with visor removed, one of the Action Force soldiers.

I understand that some people don't really care about BF2000, and that some who like them never had the release of Blocker that included the visor, but why not WANT them to have those accessories for people that DO care, instead of trying to just write it off as "they're fine," "they're good enough," or "they hit the mark." That's like me saying "Fast Draw is fine" if the Club released him based off the Rapid Deployment Force pack which didn't include the visor, and then saying "That's the version I had so I don't see the need for the visor to be included. You should be happy you're getting him at all."

kelty11@verizon.net
02-09-2017, 12:48 PM
The BAT v1.8 is pretty good (nice addition to the 1991 series), but wow what a disappointment. Nothing I've seen so far can justify the $25 increase. I will be really disappointed if Dee Jay, Overkill and Hotwire are attendee figures. All I can say is stop catering to scalpers and GT hoarders and make the souvenirs available to the membership. We are presented with a less than stellar con set and everyone is assuming that some essential characters will only be for sale at the con. I for one would be willing to pay for a set of souvenirs sight unseen and I think others would as well.
This should have been the breakdown of the set: BF2000 (all 7 members!, Overkill, Hotwire, and 6 BATs V1.8). 3 Pack with BAT Squad Leader and 2 BATs v2 (VvsV style), etc.

We need to petition the club for a wider release of this year's souvenirs (if what we all think about them is true). They heard our voices back in 2012 when they did a second run of the Oktober Guard set (all the scalpers whined and complained, but either version of that set is impossible to find and very valuable).

rjhiii@sover.net
02-09-2017, 01:13 PM
Count me in the as a voice for Convention set add on exclusives to all members (higher price so those attending still get a benefit) of some sore of attendee exclusiveness. If you can buy the souvenir for $25 at the show it is $40 to the Homefront Heroes.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
02-09-2017, 01:37 PM
I would gladly pay a little extra to get the convention souvenirs if they were offered as a Homefront Heroes option.

wilsongj2002@hotmail.com
02-09-2017, 01:50 PM
If I don't have an option to add con exclusives onto a Homefront heroes order this year I not be buying this set. We live in the UK and the scalper prices are crazy as it is. So if there are vehicles and key figures only available at the con that I would have to pay silly money for on eBay I can't do it this time.

robertmsmith65@yahoo.com
02-09-2017, 06:50 PM
If they offer con exclusives this year ill sign up if not ill pas

iamcanadian@sasktel.net
02-09-2017, 06:52 PM
I would be thrilled if the attendee exclusives were Deejay, Hotwire and Overkill V1, because I don't want them. Would save me a pile of money. I fear that the exclusives would be Backstop, Stalker V2, Laser Viper.

dgmgundam@yahoo.com
02-09-2017, 07:10 PM
Since the first FSS I have been asking the Club to improve the quality of their product. I'm not alone in this. I've been asking for unique head sculpts for new figures rather than so much reuse of existing sculpts or retools of vintage/ and or new sculpt era heads which are many times poor substitutes. I've also been asking for more newly tooled accessories (e.g. vests) rather than trying to match accessories from the existing tools because, again, they are many times poor substitutes. Big Lob's reduced articulation is just another example of a quality issue. If Hasbro mandates that you use certain parts that might be an issue, then maybe you should take a firm stand and say "our customers won't like that."

Quality is in the details. Too many times I feel like Club product could be a higher quality, but it's not a higher quality because many times there is not enough investment in new parts.

With BF2K, we have some new heads sculpts and while I appreciate that, they aren't of the same quality as previous sculpts. Again, quality is in the details and these new sculpts could be much better. Even just adding visors to Avalanche and Blocker's sculpts would be an improvement. To further improve the set, Blaster could have a mask accessory added like his vintage version. Maverick needs an entirely new helmet and the Trakker armor should be replaced too. Knockdown needs a new vest- badly. While the canister tampo is well designed, to tampo a vest rather than tool an appropriately sculpted vest is a poor substitute. I'm not sure I've seen the Club make anything that looks quite as cheap as Knockdown's tampo'd vest. The helmet doesn't help either. As for Dodger, his torso should be brown like the the vintage version rather than green like in the mockup. And like many other people have said- there are simply too many BATs in the set rather than the set including more unique characters.

While it's probably too late to make any changes to the current set, the take away here is that: quality is in the details.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-10-2017, 10:52 AM
I am not a "Convention attender" as I just don't like large crowds. To me I am willing to pay a premium to obtain the exclusives, but some of the secondary market prices if you don't buy at the right time are ridiculous. See the 2009 Argen 7 for instance the 3 pack and 2 pack with StarDuster, or Night Force Crazy Legs. I buy for two kids (both under 10 still) to play with and have GI Joe adventures with. My biggest fear is them loosing the tiny, tiny irreplaceable piece that they will regret later (see the 80 Joes Microphones, Blasters face mask (which I lost so quickly I forgot he even came with it), Zartan's thigh Pads, Falcon's Antenna etc.) However, my sister and I want them to have every figure we had when we were growing up for their collection, plus. And we want to complete the sub teams they have with anything made in ME form. For instance Argen 7- they have Tan Grunt (dual purpose) and Pilot Scarlett (homage to Glenda). We had to get them Topson, Redmack, Shimirik, and Maneleh. Just so they can have Argen 7 complete. We loved our Joes (remembered them being better taken care than some actually were) and kept them all. They are the only toy line outside of the GoBots that I personally kept, and the only ones my sister kept outside of her Barbie Dolls. I want my niece and nephew to have those memories and that love for the brand. I always buy the Homefront set for the figures that they need to finish our goal of them having everything we have updated, but also to support the club. For instance I actually had no connection to last year's SkyPatrol (even though it was in my wish list zone) as I only had one of them as a kid, and my sister was really out of GI Joe by then. I could have bought Airwave and called it a day (but then they would not have a complete sub team when the figures for that sub team exist). I bought the Tiger Force set for a few of the figures, and bought the exclusives as they were necessary, Bought the Eco Force set (even though that was entirely remakes of complete garbage years) ONLY to support the Club, Nocturnal Fire- Home Run all the way around, had to buy the exclusives, everything about the set was perfect. Operation Bear Trap- honestly I bought entirely for Voltar, and I bought the two pack for Darklon. Mission Brazil II another home run- must have set for the 1986 figures alone (even though they were not true updates colorwise). So for members like me the homefront set is our chance to get some of these ME updates in an economic fashion, it would be nice to have the option for the exclusives as well, other than finding an attendee or golden ticket holder, or an extremely high markup on Ebay...

charles.phillips@penske.com
02-10-2017, 03:03 PM
I think FP has to have some exclusives in order to get people to go. there has to be an incentive. I think the parachute figure and first night pickup incentive would be enough. I've been to the past three cons and decided Florida was way too far this year and have very little hope in getting the exclusives. Not without paying a ton.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-10-2017, 03:49 PM
The exclusive incentive can be price points. If you go to the Con it is X, if you go Homefront Heroes route it is X +25% or 50%. While they need incentives to go to the Con itself (other than the speakers, vendors, special guests, forums, classes, etc.) they also need to offer "MEMBERS" a reason to join and stay. Since there are probably more potential non-con attending people in any given year, than those attending it would make sense to offer MEMBERS an incentive to remain members. If people only sign up for the membership figure- it is a "free incentive", but the person doesn't care about the magazine, will not sign up for an entire FSS, and doesn't attend conventions, but likes some of the exclusives. The last few year's membership figure sells for $50 or less loose on Ebay. Now for that person the choice really is- Is it cheaper to cherry pick the FSS in the store, and buy the Con Set? or Is it cheaper to Cherry pick from the Con set and FSS on Ebay? Since the "membership figure" is not an incentive enough on its own. More people signed up for the Club after Footloose and Dial Tone because those essential figures were out of reach on the secondary market. More people getting them in hand first hand, means less second hand sales. It also means more collector's have them in their collections so demand is flatter until new people enter the market. Then prices will go up as those collected are not for sale, and those that bought extra to sell have a limited supply to meet the increasing demand. Adding a homefront exclusives at a higher price is a way to retain membership by giving them another benefit. You maintain Convention goers by making it the best show possible and giving them a discount on everything available exclusive to them. It still allows them margin to resell, and there are still enough fans that aren't members that buy the Club stuff off Ebay and GI Joe groups at prices I can't believe. I watched people pay $75 and $100 plus shipping for the Green $42 Club HAVOC II (Snow Cat) because they did not have access to the Club store. The Members that do pay for that access should have some secondary market-primary market benefit for that membership. The Homefront Heroes add on option would be a great benefit for many members.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-11-2017, 11:24 AM
I wonder what the breakdown between American Heroes and Homefront Heroes sets is year to year. I would imagine that most members are ordering the non-attending set (this is probably the reason the Golden Ticket level was created).

kuukuuson@hotmail.com
02-14-2017, 11:57 AM
Isn't the intensive for those not attending the convention the option to purchase the "convention set" for the same price as those attending? The set is, by definition, designed for the convention.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-14-2017, 12:34 PM
That is a Member's price and a benefit of joining the Club yes, What some of us are asking is access to the exclusives through the Club and not immediately secondary market. This would add an additional benefit between attending Members and non attending members and would be at a higher price point. Right now the member benefit is being able to sign up for the Convention, or supporting the convention by signing up for the Homefront Heroes set. When it comes to the exclusives, the majority of the membership does not get any benefit and has to go secondary market routes. Instead of paying a reseller a 100%, 200% or more mark up for a figure that is essential (Night Force Crazy Legs? Freefall, etc.) Some of that extra money should go back to the Club and give the entire membership an opportunity to buy them semi reasonably. I can pretty much guarantee since most year's the Homefront Heroes sells out, that the Con could not go on at the level it does, and there would not be as many exclusives at the Cons without those members support as well. Anytime you can give benefits to the entire group, and still make the convention have some exclusiveness the better it is to retain the higher membership numbers. The higher the membership numbers, the more the club can offer...

kuukuuson@hotmail.com
02-14-2017, 03:00 PM
The club posts any exclusives not sold at con immediately after the convention. I think some 2016 items are still abailable.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-14-2017, 03:13 PM
The "left overs" are usually left over for a reason... In the case of last year, most people do not need another Skystriker, nor do they need Jet Packs (especially for the price original) If you note the figures (which more people collect) do not make it to the store. It is not an unreasonable request to the Club to give all members the options at different price points. Again, the more members of the Club, the more the Club can do. The more money that goes into the Club's hands, the more things the Club can offer...

kelty11@verizon.net
02-15-2017, 10:11 AM
I seem to remember most souvenirs being available in the store after the convention (from 2003-2010). The endless scalping and price gouging began in 2011. I can understand that the club wants to sell as much stock as possible at the show to avoid having to ship everything back to Texas, but some should be sold to non-attendees. The items that should be attendee only are the souvenir vehicle and the paradrop figure (as long as it's not an essential character).

rjhiii@sover.net
02-15-2017, 10:15 AM
I agree with LKelty. The Televiper Officer, Cobra Stealth Paratrooper were perfect drop figures. Freefall and NF Crazy Legs were bad choices. And like the Homefront Heroes, if they are preordered they can be shipped directly to TX after the show...

dgarlit@gmail.com
02-16-2017, 10:46 AM
Looks like there are quite a few of us that would love to see the souvenirs made available to homefront heroes. I didn't purchase this years set. I was on the fence for many reasons (the makeup of the set and price). I would however had purchased the set if it gave me access to the souvenirs (as with other, I don't expect the drop figures, the the card figures and vehicles). Like others, I'd pay a little bit more than the people in person too if that meant I didn't have to pay the scalpers. It really seems like this is money the club is missing out on, not to mention having unhappy members.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-16-2017, 11:05 AM
If there are only two years left what's the harm in giving all members access to the con souvenirs. As I've said before I would pre-order now sight unseen.

j_yoders@hotmail.com
02-16-2017, 11:26 AM
Plus, we ARE paying for membership so it's not like they would be available to all or anything. I realize they need to incentivize traveling to the show but with the Disney price hikes and the general high cost of this year's sets and show before that... I just think it'd be a great gesture to show good will.

kelty11@verizon.net
02-17-2017, 12:29 PM
It's interesting that Freefall is still relatively cheap compared to NF Crazy Legs-$80 bagged/ $100 carded vs. $150 for Crazy Legs. Perhaps there was a larger run because the figure was available bagged and carded.

rjhiii@sover.net
02-17-2017, 12:37 PM
Could be there were more made, or more available after the Con. Or it could be that more collectors consider NF Crazylegs essential, and Free Fall is outside their collecting zone meaning less demand.

axonrey@gmail.com
02-17-2017, 12:55 PM
Nevermind good will gestures, it increases their ability to sell stuff and make money. I'll, in all likelihood, never go to a Con. I'm too married and have too many kids, but I would buy exclusives directly from the Club. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Maybe even have just one strictly attending exclusive figure- not 6 or 8 or however many there end up being. It's damn near cost-prohibitive as it is, without being expected to attend a convention, which costs money, to spend even more money when you get there.

Besides, to hear most Con-goers tell it, the reason they go is the comradery, not the exclusives, so they shouldn't be that upset...

kuukuuson@hotmail.com
04-23-2017, 09:07 PM
I've been meaning to write about color usage since I received my 1987 based FSS5 Sneak Peak. I personally found the vibrant lime green conflicts with the overall less saturated color palette. I immediately went to the mock-up provided during the ordering period and can see the lime green was there from inception. While this, in a way, is a level of transparency, the color palettes chosen for club figures is overall ambiguous because we have been routinely told these are mock-ups and colors will change. The lime green is a great example, in my opinion, of members acknowledging colors are not final, assuming a less saturated palette in conjuncture with the rest of the piece, and receiving different than expected results. Other instances of confusion have since been your 2017 B.A.T. Squad Leader and FSS5 Scoop.

The solution I present is a color palette chart provided on the side of the presentation image that includes the PMS number (plastic and paint) you intend to provide the manufacturer. So while the mock up gives members a guide for your intended motifs, the color palette gives members a lot less speculation as to your intentions. I have mocked up your BAT Squad Leader based on the sample image in the photograph of the samples above as a reference.
Thanks.
https://flic.kr/p/TUB8tj

https://flic.kr/p/TUB8tj

rjhiii@sover.net
05-22-2017, 01:27 PM
Looks like Mr. Hama is slowing down his con attendance after this year... This is his schedule coming up from his official FB page.

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